(MW)Umbra does not trap souls

[Peter Kaye624]

Hi,

I finally got Umbra but it doesnot trap souls.

I carry soul gems, it's fully charged and I can kill the creatures in
the required time. Do I need a certain amount of makiga or a certain
level in an attribute? Tribunal and Bloodmoon are installed and in
that order.

Second question. I got 3 Ascentant Sleepers into 3 grand soul gems but
these 3 filled grand soul gems disappeared from my inventory. Any
explanation?

TIA
Peter K.

[DeAnn]

Post by Peter Kaye624
Hi,
I finally got Umbra but it doesnot trap souls.
I carry soul gems, it's fully charged and I can kill the creatures in
the required time. Do I need a certain amount of makiga or a certain
level in an attribute? Tribunal and Bloodmoon are installed and in
that order.
Second question. I got 3 Ascentant Sleepers into 3 grand soul gems but
these 3 filled grand soul gems disappeared from my inventory. Any
explanation?
TIA
Peter K.

I have no explanation for why Umbra is not trapping souls for you.
Usually (but not always), when you have a soul trap active on an
animal, the creature glows with a little white misty cloud and has
white sparkeles. Does this occur? Also, high level souls (people,
vampires) cannot be soul trapped. And, you must have a gem large
enough to trap the creature you are trying for. Vivec, for example,
will fit in Azura's Star, but not a grand soul gem. Some creatures--
like Golden Saints--will try to dispel the soul trap.

As for the missing gems, do you see your other soul gems. You can
have your inventory set to show only some types of objects, but not
all objects.

[Ellen Gittleman]

Umbra is cast when used. You have to equip it as both your weapon and your
magic item. Then you use r to cast soul trap.
Ellen

Post by Peter Kaye624
Hi,
I finally got Umbra but it doesnot trap souls.
I carry soul gems, it's fully charged and I can kill the creatures in
the required time. Do I need a certain amount of makiga or a certain
level in an attribute? Tribunal and Bloodmoon are installed and in
that order.
Second question. I got 3 Ascentant Sleepers into 3 grand soul gems but
these 3 filled grand soul gems disappeared from my inventory. Any
explanation?
TIA
Peter K.

[Ellen Gittleman]

FYI Soul Drinker is cast when strikes. You get it as a reward for a Mages
guild quest. When enchanting your own weapons, it is usually a good idea to
use cast when strikes. I found this out when I first tried to enchant
something. I had the same experience you had with Umbra, when I tried to
use my weapon.
Ellen

Post by Ellen Gittleman
Umbra is cast when used. You have to equip it as both your weapon and
your magic item. Then you use r to cast soul trap.
Ellen

Post by Peter Kaye624
Hi,
I finally got Umbra but it doesnot trap souls.
I carry soul gems, it's fully charged and I can kill the creatures in
the required time. Do I need a certain amount of makiga or a certain
level in an attribute? Tribunal and Bloodmoon are installed and in
that order.
Second question. I got 3 Ascentant Sleepers into 3 grand soul gems but
these 3 filled grand soul gems disappeared from my inventory. Any
explanation?
TIA
Peter K.

[Gumby]

Post by Ellen Gittleman
FYI Soul Drinker is cast when strikes. You get it as a reward for a Mages
guild quest. When enchanting your own weapons, it is usually a good idea to
use cast when strikes. I found this out when I first tried to enchant
something. I had the same experience you had with Umbra, when I tried to
use my weapon.

Getting the killing blow with Soul Drinker's fun if you already have
Soul Tap cast on the monster - fills 2 soul gems. :) [which is why my
Khajjit has 6 Golden Saint souls at the moment (from 3 GS scrolls)]

[Ellen Gittleman]

Concerning your missing soul gems: Were you arrested? Even if you pay a
fine, one of the items they take away is soul gems.
Ellen

Post by Peter Kaye624
Hi,
I finally got Umbra but it doesnot trap souls.
I carry soul gems, it's fully charged and I can kill the creatures in
the required time. Do I need a certain amount of makiga or a certain
level in an attribute? Tribunal and Bloodmoon are installed and in
that order.
Second question. I got 3 Ascentant Sleepers into 3 grand soul gems but
these 3 filled grand soul gems disappeared from my inventory. Any
explanation?
TIA
Peter K.

[ManaUser]

Post by Ellen Gittleman
Concerning your missing soul gems: Were you arrested? Even if you pay a
fine, one of the items they take away is soul gems.
Ellen

Slight correction. They take away anything you've every stolen *any*
of. If you've never stolen that type of soul gem, they won't take it
as far as I know.

[Peter Kaye624]

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:16:08 -0800, ManaUser

Post by ManaUser

Post by Ellen Gittleman
Concerning your missing soul gems: Were you arrested? Even if you pay a
fine, one of the items they take away is soul gems.
Ellen

Slight correction. They take away anything you've every stolen *any*
of. If you've never stolen that type of soul gem, they won't take it
as far as I know.

I stole a grand soul gem for the enchantress in Balmora when helping
Ajiira. Now when I try to use any grand soul gem to enchant an object
there, the moment I hit Buy they start to scream that I'm a thief even
when the stolen grand soul gem has been up at Ald Ruhn(???).

Peter K.

[Gumby]

Post by Peter Kaye624
I stole a grand soul gem for the enchantress in Balmora when helping
Ajiira. Now when I try to use any grand soul gem to enchant an object
there, the moment I hit Buy they start to scream that I'm a thief even
when the stolen grand soul gem has been up at Ald Ruhn(???).

Yeah. To be a successful thief you have to pretty much quicksave before
each transaction since shopkeepers/enchanters always think that it's the
same item you stole from them, even if that particular copy of what you
stole was long ago used up or sold elsewhere. Basically, doing that
quest for the Mages' Guild screws you over for enchanting at the Balmora
guild house... :(

[sad that this happens, really, since it wouldn't've been at all hard to
have 2 fields set when an item's stolen (a binary toggle for stolen
status and, if that bit's set, the ID of the shopkeeper you stole it
from) and to have it stack separately from others of its kind; on a
related note, it also wouldn't've been hard for them to have soul gems
of the same type (common, grand, etc.) and soul filling stack, either)]

[Greg Johnson]

On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:18:56 GMT, Gumby

Post by Gumby

Post by Peter Kaye624
I stole a grand soul gem for the enchantress in Balmora when helping
Ajiira. Now when I try to use any grand soul gem to enchant an object
there, the moment I hit Buy they start to scream that I'm a thief even
when the stolen grand soul gem has been up at Ald Ruhn(???).

Yeah. To be a successful thief you have to pretty much quicksave before
each transaction since shopkeepers/enchanters always think that it's the
same item you stole from them, even if that particular copy of what you
stole was long ago used up or sold elsewhere. Basically, doing that
quest for the Mages' Guild screws you over for enchanting at the Balmora
guild house... :(

No, it doesn't - the only item you're asked to take has no ownership
and can never cause any problems. It's not really a soulgem either, in
fact it's a miscellaneous object with a soulgem icon, so even if it
had ownership it wouldn't cause other gems to be confiscated. If you
take any of the normal soulgems in the same area, _then_ you can get
into trouble.

[Jonathan Ellis]

Post by Greg Johnson
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:18:56 GMT, Gumby

Post by Gumby

Post by Peter Kaye624
I stole a grand soul gem for the enchantress in Balmora when
helping
Ajiira. Now when I try to use any grand soul gem to enchant an object
there, the moment I hit Buy they start to scream that I'm a thief even
when the stolen grand soul gem has been up at Ald Ruhn(???).

Yeah. To be a successful thief you have to pretty much quicksave before
each transaction since shopkeepers/enchanters always think that it's the
same item you stole from them, even if that particular copy of what you
stole was long ago used up or sold elsewhere. Basically, doing that
quest for the Mages' Guild screws you over for enchanting at the Balmora
guild house... :(

No, it doesn't - the only item you're asked to take has no ownership
and can never cause any problems. It's not really a soulgem either, in
fact it's a miscellaneous object with a soulgem icon, so even if it
had ownership it wouldn't cause other gems to be confiscated. If you
take any of the normal soulgems in the same area, _then_ you can get
into trouble.

Yeah. The soul gem you stole is marked as belonging, not to a person,
but to a *faction* (the Mages Guild), so stealing any of the filled
soul gems there will mark ALL grand soul gems as "stolen, owned by the
Mages Guild", so if you ever try to buy enchantment from a Mages Guild
mage using that kind of soul gem, you're hosed.

And you didn't even need to steal it. In fact you weren't supposed to
steal any soul gems: but PUT a fake one in the chest.

Ah well. You've got an alternative option: find a professional
enchanter who does not belong to the Mages Guild. There is a large
faction of magic users who do not belong to the Guild, and are opposed
to them...

Jonathan.

[Peter Kaye624]

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:25:09 +0100, "Jonathan Ellis"

Post by Jonathan Ellis

Post by Greg Johnson
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:18:56 GMT, Gumby

Post by Gumby

Post by Peter Kaye624
I stole a grand soul gem for the enchantress in Balmora when helping
Ajiira. Now when I try to use any grand soul gem to enchant an object
there, the moment I hit Buy they start to scream that I'm a thief even
when the stolen grand soul gem has been up at Ald Ruhn(???).

Yeah. To be a successful thief you have to pretty much quicksave before
each transaction since shopkeepers/enchanters always think that it's the
same item you stole from them, even if that particular copy of what you
stole was long ago used up or sold elsewhere. Basically, doing that
quest for the Mages' Guild screws you over for enchanting at the Balmora
guild house... :(

No, it doesn't - the only item you're asked to take has no ownership
and can never cause any problems. It's not really a soulgem either, in
fact it's a miscellaneous object with a soulgem icon, so even if it
had ownership it wouldn't cause other gems to be confiscated. If you
take any of the normal soulgems in the same area, _then_ you can get
into trouble.

Yeah. The soul gem you stole is marked as belonging, not to a person,
but to a *faction* (the Mages Guild), so stealing any of the filled
soul gems there will mark ALL grand soul gems as "stolen, owned by the
Mages Guild", so if you ever try to buy enchantment from a Mages Guild
mage using that kind of soul gem, you're hosed.
And you didn't even need to steal it. In fact you weren't supposed to
steal any soul gems: but PUT a fake one in the chest.
Ah well. You've got an alternative option: find a professional
enchanter who does not belong to the Mages Guild. There is a large
faction of magic users who do not belong to the Guild, and are opposed
to them...
Jonathan.

Jonathan,
I just go to another Mage Guild enchantress in another city
and have no problem enchanting an item.

Peter K.

[The Horny Goat]

On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:18:56 GMT, Gumby

Post by Gumby

Post by Peter Kaye624
I stole a grand soul gem for the enchantress in Balmora when helping
Ajiira. Now when I try to use any grand soul gem to enchant an object
there, the moment I hit Buy they start to scream that I'm a thief even
when the stolen grand soul gem has been up at Ald Ruhn(???).

Yeah. To be a successful thief you have to pretty much quicksave before
each transaction since shopkeepers/enchanters always think that it's the
same item you stole from them, even if that particular copy of what you
stole was long ago used up or sold elsewhere. Basically, doing that
quest for the Mages' Guild screws you over for enchanting at the Balmora
guild house... :(

In one of my early Morrowind games I clobbered one character since he
was intended to be a thief who dabbled in alchemy. Now one of the
early Thieves' Guild quests involves stealing a diamond and some of
the more interesting potions a master alchemist can make involve
diamonds so you can quickly see why stealing a diamond when you're
level 1 can make your career as an alchemist "interesting" when you're
level 25!

[Ellen Gittleman]

I usually steal all of Galbedir's soul gems and the limeware platter! A good
source of cash when you're starting out. I just never do any enchanting at
the Balmora Mages Guild.
Ellen

Post by Greg Johnson
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:18:56 GMT, Gumby

Post by Gumby

Post by Peter Kaye624
I stole a grand soul gem for the enchantress in Balmora when helping
Ajiira. Now when I try to use any grand soul gem to enchant an object
there, the moment I hit Buy they start to scream that I'm a thief even
when the stolen grand soul gem has been up at Ald Ruhn(???).

Yeah. To be a successful thief you have to pretty much quicksave before
each transaction since shopkeepers/enchanters always think that it's the
same item you stole from them, even if that particular copy of what you
stole was long ago used up or sold elsewhere. Basically, doing that
quest for the Mages' Guild screws you over for enchanting at the Balmora
guild house... :(

In one of my early Morrowind games I clobbered one character since he
was intended to be a thief who dabbled in alchemy. Now one of the
early Thieves' Guild quests involves stealing a diamond and some of
the more interesting potions a master alchemist can make involve
diamonds so you can quickly see why stealing a diamond when you're
level 1 can make your career as an alchemist "interesting" when you're
level 25!

[Jonathan Ellis]

Post by Greg Johnson
On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:18:56 GMT, Gumby

Post by Gumby

Post by Peter Kaye624
I stole a grand soul gem for the enchantress in Balmora when
helping
Ajiira. Now when I try to use any grand soul gem to enchant an object
there, the moment I hit Buy they start to scream that I'm a thief even
when the stolen grand soul gem has been up at Ald Ruhn(???).

Yeah. To be a successful thief you have to pretty much quicksave before
each transaction since shopkeepers/enchanters always think that it's the
same item you stole from them, even if that particular copy of what you
stole was long ago used up or sold elsewhere. Basically, doing that
quest for the Mages' Guild screws you over for enchanting at the Balmora
guild house... :(

In one of my early Morrowind games I clobbered one character since he
was intended to be a thief who dabbled in alchemy. Now one of the
early Thieves' Guild quests involves stealing a diamond and some of
the more interesting potions a master alchemist can make involve
diamonds so you can quickly see why stealing a diamond when you're
level 1 can make your career as an alchemist "interesting" when you're
level 25!

Fortunately there are several easy ways to get a "free" diamond, so
you don't have to actually steal one...

Also, a potion made from a stolen ingredient isn't marked as stolen,
as far as I know.

Jonathan.

[Jonathan Ellis]

Post by Gumby

Post by Peter Kaye624
I stole a grand soul gem for the enchantress in Balmora when
helping
Ajiira. Now when I try to use any grand soul gem to enchant an object
there, the moment I hit Buy they start to scream that I'm a thief even
when the stolen grand soul gem has been up at Ald Ruhn(???).

Yeah. To be a successful thief you have to pretty much quicksave
before each transaction since shopkeepers/enchanters always think
that it's the same item you stole from them, even if that particular
copy of what you stole was long ago used up or sold elsewhere.
Basically, doing that quest for the Mages' Guild screws you over for
enchanting at the Balmora guild house... :(
[sad that this happens, really, since it wouldn't've been at all
hard to have 2 fields set when an item's stolen (a binary toggle for
stolen status and, if that bit's set, the ID of the shopkeeper you
stole it from) and to have it stack separately from others of its
kind; on a related note, it also wouldn't've been hard for them to
have soul gems of the same type (common, grand, etc.) and soul
filling stack, either)]
--
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They
never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our
people, and neither do we." - George W. Bush [August 5th, 2004]

[Rusty]

Post by Peter Kaye624
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:16:08 -0800, ManaUser

Post by ManaUser

Post by Ellen Gittleman
Concerning your missing soul gems: Were you arrested? Even if you pay a
fine, one of the items they take away is soul gems.
Ellen

Slight correction. They take away anything you've every stolen *any*
of. If you've never stolen that type of soul gem, they won't take it
as far as I know.

I stole a grand soul gem for the enchantress in Balmora when helping
Ajiira. Now when I try to use any grand soul gem to enchant an object
there, the moment I hit Buy they start to scream that I'm a thief even
when the stolen grand soul gem has been up at Ald Ruhn(???).

You can find out what "stolen" items you have by opening up the console
by pressing the ~ key and type in TFH, you can then look in your
inventory and see what items have owners. this will also tell you what
items you're about to take have owners too. Containers can also have
owners, so anything taken or put in become the property of their
respective owner.

It's kinda sad that you can't take over a house by killing the owner
(justly or unjust) and yet you can't use any of the containers because
they are still marked as belonging to the dead owner.

It also annoys me that the loot in some necromancer hideouts have
owners too.

you pretty much never want to get arrested, you will lose any items that
have owners.

[DeAnn]

Post by Rusty
you pretty much never want to get arrested, you will lose any items that
have owners.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

You can get the items back. The are kept in the Evidence Chest at the
nearest? Fort.

[Peter Kaye624]

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:21:01 -0400, "Ellen Gittleman"

Post by Ellen Gittleman
Concerning your missing soul gems: Were you arrested? Even if you pay a
fine, one of the items they take away is soul gems.
Ellen

Post by Peter Kaye624
Hi,
I finally got Umbra but it doesnot trap souls.
I carry soul gems, it's fully charged and I can kill the creatures in
the required time. Do I need a certain amount of makiga or a certain
level in an attribute? Tribunal and Bloodmoon are installed and in
that order.
Second question. I got 3 Ascentant Sleepers into 3 grand soul gems but
these 3 filled grand soul gems disappeared from my inventory. Any
explanation?
TIA
Peter K.

This is a possibilty Ellen since I have been bad several times.
I'll watch out for this in the future, good advice.

Peter K

[Peter Kaye624]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:49:55 -0400, Peter Kaye624

Post by Peter Kaye624
Hi,
I finally got Umbra but it doesnot trap souls.
I carry soul gems, it's fully charged and I can kill the creatures in
the required time. Do I need a certain amount of makiga or a certain
level in an attribute? Tribunal and Bloodmoon are installed and in
that order.
Second question. I got 3 Ascentant Sleepers into 3 grand soul gems but
these 3 filled grand soul gems disappeared from my inventory. Any
explanation?
TIA
Peter K.

Ellen:
Thanks for the suggestion, that got me going on the right track. I had
played the game some years ago and mistakenly remembered it to be much
easier to trap souls.
Thanks

DeAnn:
After using Ellen's suggestion I am seeing the white cloud most of the
time however, I fear the trapped soul gems are lost for some reason.
I'm finding so many grand soul gems now( luck=71) that I should be
able to replace them.
Thanks

Peter K.

[Jonathan Ellis]

Post by Peter Kaye624
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:49:55 -0400, Peter Kaye624

Post by Peter Kaye624
Hi,
I finally got Umbra but it doesnot trap souls.
I carry soul gems, it's fully charged and I can kill the creatures in
the required time. Do I need a certain amount of makiga or a certain
level in an attribute? Tribunal and Bloodmoon are installed and in
that order.
Second question. I got 3 Ascentant Sleepers into 3 grand soul gems but
these 3 filled grand soul gems disappeared from my inventory. Any
explanation?
TIA
Peter K.

Thanks for the suggestion, that got me going on the right track. I had
played the game some years ago and mistakenly remembered it to be much
easier to trap souls.
Thanks
After using Ellen's suggestion I am seeing the white cloud most of the
time however, I fear the trapped soul gems are lost for some reason.
I'm finding so many grand soul gems now( luck=71) that I should be
able to replace them.
Thanks

The likelihood is that the "missing" soul gems were confiscated by the
guards because they believed them stolen. They're most likely in a
Chest Marked 'Evidence' in one of the Imperial Legion's prison towers.

Jonathan.

[Peter Kaye624]

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:26:27 +0100, "Jonathan Ellis"

Post by Jonathan Ellis

Post by Peter Kaye624
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:49:55 -0400, Peter Kaye624

Post by Peter Kaye624
Hi,
I finally got Umbra but it doesnot trap souls.
I carry soul gems, it's fully charged and I can kill the creatures in
the required time. Do I need a certain amount of makiga or a certain
level in an attribute? Tribunal and Bloodmoon are installed and in
that order.
Second question. I got 3 Ascentant Sleepers into 3 grand soul gems but
these 3 filled grand soul gems disappeared from my inventory. Any
explanation?
TIA
Peter K.

Thanks for the suggestion, that got me going on the right track. I had
played the game some years ago and mistakenly remembered it to be much
easier to trap souls.
Thanks
After using Ellen's suggestion I am seeing the white cloud most of the
time however, I fear the trapped soul gems are lost for some reason.
I'm finding so many grand soul gems now( luck=71) that I should be
able to replace them.
Thanks

The likelihood is that the "missing" soul gems were confiscated by the
guards because they believed them stolen. They're most likely in a
Chest Marked 'Evidence' in one of the Imperial Legion's prison towers.
Jonathan.

I believe this is what happened now.

Peter K.

[DeAnn]

Post by Peter Kaye624
On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:26:27 +0100, "Jonathan Ellis"

Post by Jonathan Ellis

Post by Peter Kaye624
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 23:49:55 -0400, Peter Kaye624

Post by Peter Kaye624
Hi,
I finally got Umbra but it doesnot trap souls.
I carry soul gems, it's fully charged and I can kill the creatures in
the required time. Do I need a certain amount of makiga or a certain
level in an attribute? Tribunal and Bloodmoon are installed and in
that order.
Second question. I got 3 Ascentant Sleepers into 3 grand soul gems but
these 3 filled grand soul gems disappeared from my inventory. Any
explanation?
TIA
Peter K.

Thanks for the suggestion, that got me going on the right track. I had
played the game some years ago and mistakenly remembered it to be much
easier to trap souls.
Thanks
After using Ellen's suggestion I am seeing the white cloud most of the
time however, I fear the trapped soul gems are lost for some reason.
I'm finding so many grand soul gems now( luck=71) that I should be
able to replace them.
Thanks

The likelihood is that the "missing" soul gems were confiscated by the
guards because they believed them stolen. They're most likely in a
Chest Marked 'Evidence' in one of the Imperial Legion's prison towers.
Jonathan.

I believe this is what happened now.
Peter K.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Go check out the Evidence Chests at the forts. You will find your
missing items there if the guards took them. You have to be a decent
theif to get them back, however, as there is usually a guard nearby to
spot you.